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Wikipedia Hell -- Wiki vs. Norilana Books Entry [May. 10th, 2007|11:07 pm]
Not only have I spent all day wrung out, with mom at her first chemotherapy session, but now the "editors" at Wikipedia in their infinite "wisdom" have decided to delete the Norilana Books entry for lack of notability and conflict of interest and LORD ONLY KNOWS WHAT else.

If any of you have Wikipedia accounts, please HELP ME by joining the discussion and supporting the right of this article to remain in place!

ARGH!!! I do NOT NEED THIS !@@#$%^% a this point in my life!

The article in question:


Please go and talk some sense into them, help!

[User Picture]From: oneminutemonkey
2007-05-11 07:14 am (UTC)
Hmm. I think the problem is that, according to their standards, Norilana Books hasn't made enough of an impact to warrant inclusion. When I ran a search on Norilana, it seems like all roads led back to your LJ, the Norilana site, or press releases related to such. What you really need is a third party who isn't related to you or Norilana to write about you, and then you can cite that as source material. Perhaps a Locus article? Or a local newspaper? Once you have something external to point towards, it's a lot easier to claim notability.

Definitely play up the "solely owned/operated by a woman" angle, and the S&S association, and link back from its Wikipage?

I don't think we can talk sense into them, so much as help manipulate the system. They want proof that Norilana has an impact, so I think your best bet will be to scare up some publicity. And hey, publicity's a good thing.

That's my immediate line of thinking, anyway.
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[User Picture]From: norilana
2007-05-11 07:39 am (UTC)

Well, there is a nice and solid link right here from the high-profile MZB site:


And I've seen tons of articles and stubs about completely trivial topics get more leeway on Wikipedia.

If you -- or anyone else, for that matter -- can edit the article and do whatever it takes to make it satisfactory to Wikipedia, I would be very grateful.
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[User Picture]From: norilana
2007-05-11 06:30 pm (UTC)

It's just been such a hell of a time getting this basic factual info there that I panicked.
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[User Picture]From: norilana
2007-05-11 06:38 pm (UTC)
Oh, it does help to know, thank you!
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[User Picture]From: chromatomancer
2007-05-13 07:37 am (UTC)
UNBELIEVABLE. If I thought I had anything to add to the current discussion at wiki, I would. . . but my fulminating would not help. Some of that commentary up right now is so deeply offensive to me. . . some guy comparing his high school award to your achievements. Incidentally, in my new job at Locus, I mentioned your name, and yes, the editor I spoke with was familiar with your name and work. You are not unknown. Your press is not unknown. Your achievements are not comparable to this purported and uncited high school award won by "Pan Dan." I will do my best to get this deletion effort into the next issue of Locus (maybe they could quote that for notability, lol!) Though as the new girl, I can't promise anything. I will have to talk about it with LGT and KGW, eds, and then run it by CNB if they think it's ok -- I'm still hesitant about the new job situation and what types of info/input I'm allowed to give. . . but I think they'd be open to the suggestion, particularly as Cory Doctorow and Elizabeth Moon have weighed in on this already, which to me shows that it's of interest to the larger community.

Good luck with this! --Francesca Myman
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[User Picture]From: norilana
2007-05-13 01:36 pm (UTC)
Thanks so much for the support, Francesca! Whatever happens, happens at this point. Take a look at the amazing and bizarre level of this discussion:

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[User Picture]From: chromatomancer
2007-05-13 07:43 am (UTC)
P.S. As "one of a handful of publishing companies owned and solely operated by a woman," I think you deserve ALL THE SUPPORT YOU CAN GET.
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